Alternative thinking – The spirit be willing

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Any serious consideration of a subject must necessarily begin with the history behind the idea upon which the subject, or question, is based. Without taking into account the previous learning and theory on a subject mathematicians would not be able to make statistical analyses, scientists would not be able to advance the study of cures and treatments, engineers would not be able to make safer buildings and we, we would not be able to see the “whole” picture ~ we would be as blinker-clad racehorses.


Before the modern living Vampire came to be widely recognized there was folklore, superstition and fear; a fear of the dark, of the night and the tales of the bizarre inhabitants of the world, and non-world realms, that were held to occupy the night.

Certain facts will need to be clearly considered in this, and any discussion, of “spiritual vampirism“.

Fact; a term meaning vampire did not show up in written form until 1047AD. The Book of Prophecy was a Slavic document that was Russian in origin.

Fact; In 1813 the poem “The Giaour“, by Byron, was completed and published. In it he wrote of a vampire that rose from the dead to feed on blood. Due to his popularity the vampire found its way into mainstream society.

Fact; 1819, John William Polidori’s book “The Vampyre; a tale” was published.

Fact; 1897, Abraham ‘Bram’ Stoker’s novel “Dracula” unleashed the most famous vampire of them all on the public.

Fact; The term ‘succubus’ can be traced back to Medieval legend, “the word is derived from Late Latin succuba “strumpet” (from succubare “to lie under”, from sub- “under” and cubare “to lie”), used to describe the supernatural being as well. The word is first attested from 1387”.[1] 


Fact; One of the earliest mentions of an incubus comes from Mesopotamia on the Sumerian King List, ca. 2400 BC

Fact; “Debate about the demons began early in the Christian tradition. St. Augustine (13 November 354 – 28 August 430) touched on the topic in De Civitate Dei (“The City of God”).” [2]



What, then, is the inescapable conclusion supported by these known facts?

That “vampires” of a type were known and discussed as demonic and supernatural “spirit” entities prior to any real, in depth consideration of the more popular undead revenant variety. While it is true that tales of ‘physical’ manifestations of creatures with vampiric abilities and proclivities adorn the folklore of ancient races the world over the fact also remains that there was never, by any measure, proof offered to support the existence of these manifestations. We are not at liberty, given the plethora of reported “vampire” activities, to deny the existence of the spiritual, or spirit, vampire out of hand.

Ideas on Spiritual Vampirism in the 19th Century

1858, a French psychical researcher on vampirism and professor at the College of Maubeuge, Z.J. Piérart, expounded on his rejection of popular reincarnation theory and this led him directly to his consideration of vampirism. Coming to consider the possibility of psychic forms of vampiric attack, he proposed a theory of vampirism suggesting that vampyres were the astral bodies of either incarcerated or deceased individuals that were feeding themselves on the living.

It was Piérart who first proposed the idea that the astral body could be forcefully ejected from the body of a person buried alive and that it would then vampirise the living to nourish the body. His works pioneered modern psychical thinking on the phenomena of vampirism and opened the door to the discussion and consideration of the possibility of a paranormal draining of an individual by a spiritual agent.

In 1875 Henry Olcott and Helena Blavatsky founded the Theosophical Society in New York City. Olcott speculated that, occasionally, when a person was buried they may not be dead but in a catatonic or trance-like state, barely alive. He surmised that a person could survive for long periods in their grave by sending out their astral double to drain the blood, or “life force” from the living to remain nourished. In this respect he was not so far away from the thinking of Piérart.

What does “spiritual” mean?

As you can see, from the preceding section, “spiritual agents” were, at one time, considered to be of an order of supernatural or paranormal entities. It was not automatically assumed that the “spiritual” was connected with organised religion as seems to be the case, in many instances, these days.

As a general guide, or starting point, we will look to [3] ( for a definition of the word spiritual. When used as an adjective the word means;

1. of, pertaining to, or consisting of spirit; incorporeal.

2. of or pertaining to the spirit or soul, as distinguished from the physical nature: a spiritual approach to life.

3. closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc.: the professor’s spiritual heir in linguistics.

4. of or pertaining to spirits or to spiritualists; supernatural or spiritualistic.

5. characterized by or suggesting predominance of the spirit; ethereal or delicately refined: She is more of a spiritual type than her rowdy brother.


As a noun Spiritual is defined as follows;

A spiritual or religious song: authentic folk spirituals.

Spirituals, affairs of the church.

A spiritual thing or matter.


1275–1325; Middle English  < Medieval Latin spīrituālis,  equivalent to Latin spīritu-  (stem of spīritus spirit) + -ālis -al

From this we can discern a repeated use of the word “spirit”, and if we follow that term to its definition we find, amongst 31 listed definitions, the meanings attributable as nouns;

Spirit noun

1. the principle of conscious life; the vital principle in humans, animating the body or mediating between body and soul.

2. the incorporeal part of humans: present in spirit though absent in body.

3. the soul regarded as separating from the body at death.

4. conscious, incorporeal being, as opposed to matter: the world of spirit.

5. a supernatural, incorporeal being, especially one inhabiting a place, object, etc., or having a particular character: evil spirits. [4]



The thing that seems to get little attention in these particular explanations and definitions is anything to do with organized or fundamental religion and so we can determine that automatically associating “spiritual” with “religion” is not, in every circumstance, logical. If you were standing outside a church and discussing “spiritual” matters with a member of the clergy it would be safe to bet ten dollars that you are discussing religion but at any other time that is not a given.

Again, this creates a trap, especially in the anonymous world of the online web, where we might be found guilty of thinking we know what the other person is talking (writing) about before we have heard them out, that is, imposing our concepts on other people which is, in itself, a dangerous hobby.

In the field ~ speaking with others

Having then introduced some of the history, etymological influences and basic definitions we really need to follow up by making contact with others and getting their input to the question, “What is spiritual vampirism?”

I asked a good friend, who has been active in a spiritual vampire path for a long time, “What exactly do people mean when they talk about a spiritual vampire?”

Emilie C of The Vampires of Nakshidil and formerly Matriarch of The Order of Maidenfear, writes;

Hmmm…well, there’s no one right answer, but personally I’ve rationalized it down to two concepts–the practice of using the spirit (like in astral projection) to gather energy from other people, or the practice of connecting with spirits and the spiritual entity to bring energy down into the self.

Myself, I go for the latter practice–building a connection with the metaphysical matrix, which of course has no limit to its energy.”

Meanwhile, on the other side of the coin are observers such as Arinbjorn from the Shaman Portal.Org forum who wrote;

This year, one of our younger people came face to face with a spirit she has been holding with her – which is carried as a part of this person (not external.) I ended up spending a great deal of time in close proximity to this person ontop of a mountain, and where I was spiritually vampired, for the lack of a better term. Starting slowly, with an almost sedative like effect that helps cloak the action. I was physically sick by the end of this time frame.

It is my responsibility to help this person find a way to recognize more about this, and to help her find harmony with it. It is not entirely bad, it simply is what it is.”



Thus there seem to be different perspectives on the nature of ‘Spiritual vampirism’, one perception of a beneficial energy transference from the universal supply of ‘energy’ and another perceiving it to be a predatory, knowingly or unknowingly, act of draining the energy from a ‘victim’.
Given this apparent diversity I was driven to seek some personal ideas about the nature, or existence, of spiritual vampirism.

Kelly Scarlet Rakoczy of House Rakoczy and Vampires for Freedom of Expression, writes:

Spirituality has several definitions, including one’s religion, one’s inner path for self-discovery as well as the values one holds close to their heart, influencing how one lives. Though there are people of all faiths and philosophies in the Community, from atheism to Zen, it appears that the majority of the Community is comprised of pagans. Not all who are spiritual/religious entwine spirituality with vampyrism of course.

I tend to lean toward vampyrism being both a spiritual and physiological state-of-being. As a born-Upyra, a vampyre-witch, I incorporate spiritualism and religion into my vampyrism by choice. I subscribe to the Stygian (Underworld) Path, which is the paradigm of House Rakoczy. We are all occultists in House Rakoczy but not all choose the Stygian Path as a religion; many choose the Stygian Path as an occult philosophy only. Regardless of choice, we are antinomian. We do not bow down to any god. Our paradigm is a path of apotheosis. It is important to understand what a paradigm is. A paradigm is a perspective based on a collection of theories and viewpoints. Spiritual paradigms can be complex, actually quite individual, and allow for growth as the adept grows in gnosis and power.

Regarding some of the mystery schools that hold what is considered by many as an “elitist” philosophy, eschewing sanguinarianism for example, or even eschewing psychic vampyres who do not subscribe to their philosophy(ies), I believe they are misguided. To make the statement that one who drinks blood is not as spiritually evolved as one who doesn’t only shows a lack of knowledge. These schools often practice predatory spiritualism or magickal vampyrism.

It is important to understand predatory spiritualism as well as magickal vampyrism. Sometimes, the two terms retain identical meaning; other times, they do not. Predatory spiritualism practiced by nonvampyric occultists is a learned skill; it is not necessarily innate. Techniques such as extending tendrils, extending the aura, dreamwalking, skinwalking, lycanthropy and astral travel are used to gather and harness energy from prey for ritual workings. Other techniques include assuming the powerful vampyre archetype by dress, makeup, glamour, neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), etc., to influence others and gain power over them. As one might imagine, those who are natural sanguinarian or psychic vampyres are born with some of these abilities and may use them to feed from prey or to enthrall prey.

Often, magickal vampyrism refers to initiation of an adept into vampyrism. In some Orders, this would be known as the Dark Kiss. This does not always mean the person is mundane before initiation. At times, yes; other times, quite the contrary.

Many would assume that some adepts enrolled in/members of the various mystery schools are not “real” vampyres. In the Community, it is de riguer for some vampyre fundamentalists to denounce those who differ in philosophy and belief. While it is true that some are drawn to the vampyre archetype for the power (Order of the Vampyre), and as an avenue for apotheosis, I have to wonder if there is more. Epigenetics, how and why genes express themselves, may hold the answers, harkening back to our ancient past. Vampyres, who are spiritually inclined, may seek their answers from these Orders/Schools.

Do “real” vampyres incorporate vampyre spirituality/vampyre religion into their lives? Once you strip away the spirituality and religion lies the answer. Do you still feed on blood or energies?      © KSR 2012

To equate the “spiritual” solely with religion is a mistake, as someone once wrote to me, you can’t always go by the dictionary definition of what something means, some things are what the majority uses them to mean… or words to that effect. We are faced then, under that premise, with having to conduct a global poll to determine what “spiritual” means and that is entirely impractical if not impossible. I write this with a definite concept of what spiritual means to me, you may be reading with an entirely different idea but to say, as one commentator did, “You can’t put spiritual and vampire in the same sentence” is a false assumption.

For example, “Before he became a vampire he was a very spiritual person and, as he continued his good works after the unfortunate event, one might say he was indeed a spiritual vampire.” There, I just proved it!

In 2009 the renowned LA Judge wrote, at The Vampire Church, about Real Vampirism and included in that article was the following section on Spiritual Vampirism.

”The last group or subculture that I am going to address is “spiritual” vampirism. There is a growing group of folks that seem to disconnect the physical symptoms and ailments of real vampirism with the human ability to sense and take bio-energy. But as I have stated many times, real vampirism is determined by physical need, not just human ability. This subculture includes folks that feel they are a vessel for or are possessed by a “vampire spirit” those that can feel or draw energy (particularly emotional / empathic energy) and those that have mixed this energy ability with the basic of the Pagan religions. I have even heard of some stating that there are “vampire gods” to which they pray or aspire. In all cases these are people that have stepped outside of the more formally recognized formal codified religions and finding a path where they can incorporate a Gothic lifestyle with their human need for religion. Often these groups are organized into “clans” or ‘houses” and include a great deal of ceremony and pomp that has grown out of the fictional literature, the role-play gamer and fictional film industries. Such things can include energy raising ceremonies, drinking of a communal cup of wine and hierarchies within in the group that can even include a vampire priest / priestess of sorts. All of these things have been part of long held traditions of formal religions, but once they are included under the guise of vampirism they are mistaken for the real vampirism of which they are not a part. After all the spiritual is just that and has no connection to the symptoms associated with the physiological condition. Illness does not equal religion.

There is starting to be a growing mountain of evidence that humans are genetically hardwired to seek out a spiritual connection. (See the work of geneticist Dean H. Hamer and others.) In much the same way that humans are hardwired to communicate thru the use of language, we also seem to be driven to seek a spiritual connection. But a need for spiritual connection is not physical. It does not address physical ailments associated with real condition of vampirism. People do feel a spiritual connection or spiritual energy, but this under no circumstances should be mistaken for real vampirism. It is the same spiritual need that is present in all humans and not part of a physical ailment.”

© L.A. Judge  12 May, 2009



Quote: “There is starting to be a growing mountain of evidence that humans are genetically hardwired to seek out a spiritual connection. (See the work of geneticist Dean H. Hamer and others.) In much the same way that humans are hardwired to communicate thru the use of language, we also seem to be driven to seek a spiritual connection.”

Even though we can’t absolutely assign real vampire need to the seeking of a “spiritual connection” given the above quote, and since we are all human at the fundamental base level, is it not therefore applicable as much to real modern vampires as humans as it is to any other human to seek that “connection”? Thus, I would suggest, it becomes a trait of real vampires as well as everyone else.


Having developed several more questions by this stage I approached another highly regarded community member and sought her opinions on the matter.

It gives us great pleasure to welcome Azraelina Sahjaza of House Temple Sahjaza.

A: Thank you very much Tim for taking an interest in my Vampiric condition. I am very happy to answer any questions which you may have.

T: How long have you been aware of your true nature? At what age did you come to this knowledge and thus how long have you been a self-identified real vampire ?

A: I have known ever since very early childhood that I was different. Since about from age 5 I craved to drink the blood of the meat that my parents had in the freezer after it was thawed out. I would drink the blood of the Roast Beef, and drink the Blood of the Steak and even eat Raw meat and Raw Bacon. I was always shy and withdrawn I was never able to mingle with other children or any humans for that matter with the exception of Mom, Dad and Uncle Carmine. I am an only child with No brothers or sisters of my own. The sun I was never able to go in for long periods of time without it completely draining me from my Vitality. One time I made the mistake of walking in the sun during July at 1:00 PM during the day and I almost fainted in the street. When I got home I needed to sleep about 4 hours just to get back my strength. The Sun is poison to me, and it also gives me bad Migraines, Vertigo, and other illnesses.

But I never really figured out why I was like this till my adulthood in my mid 30’s age. But my calling to find the Undead Vampire in general got stronger and stronger as I got older. I searched all around the cemetery looking for grave sites, with No luck. Then one day I saw an article in Fate magazine that said Vampires exist join us. I sent in my self addressed envelop with $5.00 and I received my first Vampire bible. In the bible was a ritual to perform called Communion ” calling the undead gods “. Well after performing this ritual the undead started to appear to me in my dreams, and one was a Female Vampire with a child, and I said I have been waiting for you. The child Vampire was about 5 years old he bite me in my stomach, and I felt the teeth pierce my skin as if it was in real life. From that time I joined the TOV, and I realized what my calling was and that I was a real living Vampyre.

T: What is your primary source of nourishment, for the vampiric component and do you consume human foods as well ?

A: My Primary source of nourishment is feeding off the dead in the cemetery, as I am a Necromantic Vampyre, I walk with Azrael the Angel of Death. And my basic feeding is off the spirits of the dead in the cemetery with the permission of Azrael. But if I can’t get to a cemetery, I eat a rare steak or a rare bloody burger and I am good. I do not feed off the living because they are poison for me, as one time I made the mistake of taking energy in a nightclub and I was deathly sick for 1 week with a severe migraine, that was the first and last time that I ever fed off the living. Yes I do consume human foods, such as Steaks, Burgers, Pork, bacon etc, but I like them almost raw just very lightly cooked.

T: Do you have any physiological/biological anomalies that are usually considered inconsistent with the human bio-physiology ?

A: Yes I do have many biological anomalies that are inconsistent with the human bio-physiology. I cannot be out in the sun without getting deathly sick while humans can sun bath on the beach for hours. I cannot tolerate the heat at all, while humans can. If I am inside during the winter months my hands are always a block of ice and my face very pale while everyone else is always warm. And I have had yearly physicals by the doctor and they never found me to be Anemic or have any problem with my Thyroid , all my Blood Tests always comes out normal, yet I am not the same as humans in tolerance to heat or cold. Also my interests and likes are very different to humans, I would rather be out in the cemetery while humans would rather be in a park, I like the Darkness while most humans like the daylight. I prefer to be around the Dead, while humans prefer to be around the living. I like an atmosphere that is Dark and Spooky, while humans like an atmosphere with flowers, sunlight, noise and the sound of life, where I want to be dark, gloomy and quiet.

I love to interact with the Spirits of the dead, I love to be around cemeteries, I love incense, gargoyle statues, skulls, burning candles, old castles, and very haunted places that are inhabited by Spirits of the Dead, where many humans would shun such an environment. Also when I say I am Not human let me define what I mean : As a Spiritualist I see the true essence of me as my Soul/Spirit and not my physical body. As the Physical body does not define who we are, it is only a ” Shell ” that allows us to live here on earth and upon physical death it is discarded and turned into maggot food and dust. What lives on is our True Essence, our Soul/Spirit. You see being a Vampyre is a condition of the Soul a Spiritual condition and it has nothing to do with having a physical body or not. My Soul/Spirit is Not Human, therefore I don’t consider myself to be Human. As the material body is not our true essence, but only a shell or a vessel which is discarded at the physical death of the body.


T: From as early as 1858 the concept of “Astral Vampyrism” has been proposed as a part of spiritual vampyrism, that is, a person sending their “astral double” out to feed while their physical body is inert. Do you employ astral travel or astral vampyrism ?

A: As far as Astral Vampyrism is concerned yes it can be a living person that sends out his or her Spirit to feed on sleeping victims. However it can also be the Spirits of the ” Undead “, those Vampyres that was once alive on earth, but have now gone before us into Spirit. They feed to preserve their Astral Body, thus avoiding the Second Death which is total destruction of the soul. Also many Astral Vampyre entities were also never alive to begin with. The term Astral Vampyre has a very broad spectrum of Possibilities. As there are many different types of Astral Vampyres, both living, and those not living, and those that were never alive to begin with. I myself have done Astral Vampyrism during my sleep or dream walking state. At times it is more difficult for me to do then others, and other times it is much more easy. I find the more tired I am, the easier it is for me to do perform Astral Vampyrism.

T: Do you recognise other forms of “real vampirism” as being valid and legitimate or is the only true vampyre; for you, the spiritual ?

A: There are many different types of Vampyres, those who were never alive on earth and live in the Astral Realm { The Ancients }, and those of us who are born with the Condition which is a Condition of the soul. You see in order to be able to do Astral Vampyrism, one must have the Spiritual condition within them already, as it is Not an act of the physical or of the material body. So yes True Vampyres are those who are Spiritual. As anyone can dress up in black, put on a Pair of Fangs and call themself a Vampyre that does Not make them a Vampyre ?? Many today are just ” Gaja ” or ” Wannabe’s ” and those are the ones who deny the Spiritual act of Vampyrism and say that it is purely a Physical act.

T: I am assuming, from your S/N, that you are a member of the House Temple Sahjaza… would I be correct ?

A: Yes I am a full pledged member of the Temple of Sahjaza. We were the first original house that maintains the old ways of the Ancients, and we are the one and only few of ” Spiritual ” houses that are left in the Scene today that performs Rituals and shows our Vampyric nature on a Spiritual side which it truly is supposed to be. We Acknowledge the Vampiric Gods.

T: Do you believe that, as many prefer to, there will come a time when a purely physical cause will be found for certain types of modern vampyrism ?

A: Some ” So Called ” Vampyres are Not truely Vampyres at all, and they just have a Blood Fetish, but they lack the True Condition of the Soul. They call themselves Vampyres, but actually they are Not, they are just Blood Fetishes. For people like these, yes there can be a physical cause for the need and craving for blood. Also few of them can be mentally ill and just believe that they are Vampyres but they are Not therefore it can be some chemical imbalance in the brain. There are more ” Fakes ” out there then there are real ones. So for these type of people yes a purely physical cause can Possibilly be found for them sooner or later. But for us Vampyres who have the True Condition from Birth which is Truly a Spiritual Condition of the Soul, there is No Physical cause that can be found for us, as we have it in a way that No Doctor or Scientist can determine since they only go by what they can feel touch or see or can determine in blood tests.

Azraelina Sahjaza – Daughter of Azrael, Necro/Vampyre


In Conclusion:

Like all concepts involving modern vampirism today the case for spiritual vampirism is more based on a belief system than anything else. People have experiences, they interpret those experiences within the framework of their understanding and within the interpretive framework of their knowledge. To those who equate spirituality with religion it will certainly appear as though we are discussing the relationship between modern vampires and whatever deity one holds sacred, to those who do not believe in any deity, or in multiple deities, the picture is going to take on different aspects.

It all comes down to how one defines one’s own spirituality, if at all and in that case then no one can deny spiritual vampirism as a valid argument because no one can discount another’s explanation of their vampirism, less yet define someone else’s experiences and beliefs based on their own.

As we read earlier, “There is starting to be a growing mountain of evidence that humans are genetically hardwired to seek out a spiritual connection.” That being the case we are all, in one way or another, whether we “embrace” or discard “spirituality”, inclined toward the spiritual in our life.

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Further reading:

An Essay on Spiritual Vampires; Timothy R. Waggener ,  © 2010


Energetic Vampirism; Lawrence Wilson MD, © August 2012


Rogo, Scott. “In-depth Analysis of the Vampire Legend.”

Fate 21, no. 9 (September 1968): 77.


Gale Encyclopedia of Occultism & Parapsychology:


Z. J. Piérart – Read more:








A welcome to a new role

Good evening,
It is with great pleasure we announce that Ravens Rose, formerly Research Assistant at RVL, has been promoted to full staff membership with grateful thanks for her support.

She has also established her own “column” page at RVL ~ The Crimson Cafe which is linked to her own board and forum at

Bringing her own eclectic style to this new position we are sure there will be some wonderful items gracing her page in no time.
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Alternative thinking ~ The Vampire Retrovirus

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One of the things that has always marked the “community” and sub-culture is the proliferation of theories as to the origin of the modern living vampire. There are those who support the theory that it is a medical condition, there are those that think it a metaphysical condition or influence and still others who hold that it is a “spiritual” condition in whatever context spiritual holds for them. The one thing that ALL of the theories and beliefs have in common, without equivocation, is that there is absolutely no proof of any of the theories. The situation we are presented with then, irrespective of the theory, is how much circumstantial support is there for it, or how “possible” is the theory.


In the world there are literally hundreds of thousands of theories for hundreds of thousands of things, there are medical theories, business theories, social theories and psychological theories to name but a few and the real living vampire sub-culture is no different. There are theories for everything that occurs to vampires, there are theories as to why blood makes some happy and well, there are theories as to why some can absorb or “ingest” energy and get the same result, there are books, bibles, scrolls, guides and manuals and the one thing they ALL have in common is that no proof exists that any are correct.

When we come across theories that differ from our own, often jealously defended, ideas and concepts the immediate reaction is to “trash” it and the author as quickly as possible, why? Because we are being dragged out of our own ‘comfort zone’ and into a dark place that may well require changing some of our cherished ideas.

In reading about “alternative thinking” there are some things that are required of you, the reader. First, a suspension of disbelief is required, you may have heard of, or touched on in conversations, the subject at hand but if you read with pre-determined ideas and beliefs then the whole process will be coloured by that. Second, the reader MUST be open minded and willing to examine new and different ideas dispassionately, to observe the points that support the idea and to discern those that do not ~ logically. If you, the reader, are willing to approach a subject in this manner then you may well find that you can gain, or benefit, from it. If, however, you are an arrogant, intolerant and close minded person then you will get no benefit whatsoever from it and you should probably not even bother to read on ~ at days end, you know what and who you are, so it’s your call.

The Vampire Retrovirus

One theory of modern living vampire existence that has seen a growth in the number of followers over the last three years or so is the “Vampire Retrovirus” theory.

In a series of “Alternative Thinking” pieces we are going to be looking at the less popular “belief systems” that have occurred in the VC/OVC. In order to fully understand what this theory entails we must first define the term “Vampire Retrovirus”.


A retrovirus is:

any of a family of single-stranded RNA viruses having a helical envelope and containing an enzyme that allows for a reversal of genetic transcription, from RNA to DNA rather than the usual DNA to RNA, the newly transcribed viral DNA being incorporated into the host cell’s DNA strand for the production of new RNA retroviruses: the family includes the AIDS virus and certain oncogene-carrying viruses implicated in various cancers.

1975–80; retro- + virus

Or, in a slightly simpler form:
any of several viruses whose genetic specification is encoded in RNA rather than DNA and that are able to reverse the normal flow of genetic information from DNA to RNA by transcribing RNA into DNA: many retroviruses are known to cause cancer in animals.” [2]

In short, a modification of the normal process for the conveying of DNA information into successive generations of a family. One commentator recently opined, “there is no such DNA altering retrovirus to do such a thing to the human body.” While I would agree that there is no such retrovirus that can change the human being into a supernatural vampire with shapeshifting abilities I would not go quite as far as to make it a blanket statement, nor would I seek to apply it to any person in particular.

The reason that I would not do so is because of the, so far, latest official releases from the human genome project. When we refer to the “Status of completion” as detailed at Wikipedia, we find the following information;

“State of completion: The Human Genome Project was declared complete in April 2003. An initial rough draft of the human genome was available in June 2000 and by February 2001 a working draft had been completed and published followed by the final sequencing mapping of the human genome on April 14, 2003. Although this was reported to be 99% of the human genome with 99.99% accuracy a major quality assessment of the human genome sequence was published in May 27, 2004 indicating over 92% of sampling exceeded 99.99% accuracy which is within the intended goal.[*] Further analyses and papers on the HGP continue to occur. [**]”


* Nature 429, 365-368



The Human Genome Project (HGP)

So, here is a fact, as at May 27, 2004 there were still a further 8% of the sampling to be completely quantified. Another fact that exists is that every single human being’s DNA is unique.

As reported:

The “genome” of any given individual (except for identical twins and cloned organisms) is unique; mapping “the human genome” involves sequencing multiple variations of each gene.[**] The project did not study the entire DNA found in human cells; some heterochromatic ( areas (about 8% of the total genome) remain un-sequenced.”


** Harmon, Katherine (2010-06-28). “Genome Sequencing for the Rest of Us”. Scientific American. Retrieved 2010-08-13.


”The key findings of the draft (2001) and complete (2004) genome sequences include

1. There are approximately 23,000 genes in human beings, the same range as in mice and roundworms. Understanding how these genes express themselves will provide clues to how diseases are caused.

2. The human genome has significantly more segmental duplications (nearly identical, repeated sections of DNA) than other mammalian genomes. These sections may underlie the creation of new primate-specific genes

3. At the time when the draft sequence was published fewer than 7% of protein families appeared to be vertebrate specific” [3b]

So, scientifically speaking, we still have a measure of the genome that is “un-sequenced”, an “unknown” quantity in the equation and, until we know what that “unknown” is we can’t make statements what the genome, the DNA or any other component of the system does and does not do, specifically. It is also worth noting that the Human Genome Project involved the mapping of the samples taken from the selected group/s thus we can conclude that the results of 92% mapped within 99.99% accuracy can only apply to that sample.

 How does the theory of the Vampire Retrovirus work?

The science of the matter is established, as far as possible and at this juncture the “Retrovirus” theory carries as much weight as any other theory on the origin of the modern living vampire. When I had the idea to look into this I knew I was going to need a guide, a person who was intimately familiar with the concept and who could relate it in an easily understood manner and that is where Izidari and Danica came to the rescue. I invited them to provide me, as a layman, with the information on the “Retrovirus” theory.

Izidari wrote:

“I suppose I should start with the basis of where our beliefs come from.  As you know, Charles Darwin was the creator of the Theory of Evolution as well as Natural Selection.  Both of these play a big part of the retrovirus belief.  There are a number of retroviruses only specific to humans when they diverged from chimpanzees, and we believe that one of the strands of retroviruses (as not all of them have been discovered or fully studied) is what makes us vampires.  What does this retrovirus do?  Basically, at the catalyst of puberty (17-24 with some leeway), this retrovirus is activated either by a hormone or a certain level of hormone.  This depends on whether or not the person has the retrovirus in the first place (this retrovirus is a selective one as it is related to genetic transfer). In order to have the retrovirus, at least one parent must have it (in my case, it is my mother).  We are not sure whether it is a dominant or recessive gene thought we believe it to be recessive. 


Anyway, when this retrovirus is activated is known as Awakening.  During this time, the Sympathetic Nervous System is triggered to work at a constant, but low, rate.  This means that being a vampire is being in a sense of “fight-or-flight” but not high enough to kill a person.  A number of things happen during this time; heightened senses, being stronger, quicker, and being able to think quicker, etc.  Again, this isn’t comparable to a person in a normal “fight-or-flight” response because no human could stay in that for a long period of time as they would die.  If you look at a human (vampires are human but for the sake of discussion I will separate them) in a “fight-or-flight” response as 100% and a normal human body at 0%, a vampire would like around the 50% range.  When the body has the Sympathetic Nervous System active, some blood is moved away from places like the skin (which leads to paleness), digestive system, and immune system (which is why vampires who don’t feed often get sick).  Then that blood is moved to places such as the Central Nervous System (so we are more sensitive to stimuli), the heart, etc.  We have a quicker heart rate (not ridiculously higher), somewhat lower body temperature (which is why we prefer colder temperatures like 50*F with just a small jacket), and shallower breathing.  


So, because the blood is needed in places like the immune system, skin, etc. we must drink it to have it move to the places where it needs to be.  Our hypothesis is that due to Natural Selection, the original human/vampires would have needed a way to obtain blood where it needed to be and therefore developed an advanced digestive system (namely, the esophagus).  We believe that because of this, the blood we drink is transferred to the places it needs to be much of the same way nutrients are moved throughout the body.  Because humans are always evolving to become more efficient, why couldn’t having this retrovirus make us more efficient in this way? If we didn’t physically feel better after drinking blood (not just a drop or two, but a cup or such) we wouldn’t be able to make such a hypothesis.”


Our other guest this evening, Danica, wrote;

Izidari is amazing at explaining this, so I will take an excerpt from her book to answer.”

 “Real Vampires are caused by a retrovirus that integrated itself into a human’s DNA at the time of conception or due to a blood transfer from a real Vampire.  This integration causes the body to go through what real vampires call Awakening, which the physical realization of the real vampire traits is caused by this retrovirus.  If the real Vampire is born a real Vampire, than Awakening will not occur until the catalyst of puberty when hormones trigger the retrovirus to become active.  Each trait will come within a certain time period (within a year, usually) until that individual is completely Awakened.” – “The Truth: Real Vampires” Chapter 3: What is a Real Vampire.”



These words left me with a number of questions, on which I had to do quite an amount of reading to formulate properly. Armed with my queries and readings I again invited Izidari and Danica to take part by reviewing and answering the questions I had come up with.


RVL: Good evening and thank you for affording us a little of your time and joining us for this discussion.

Izidari: Thank you for having me.  I am very happy to be here.

Danica: Thank you very much for opportunity to share our story with you.


RVL: We would firstly, if we may, like to get a bit of an idea about how you identify yourselves within the context of the modern vampire “community”, what type of vampire are you and how long have you known about your true nature?

Izidari: I am what you would call a Retrovirus Vampire and I have known about my nature for about five years now.  I went through awakening two weeks before my 17th birthday (I’m almost 21 now), but I was born a vampire.

Danica: To us there is only one type of Vampire, and that is what some call the “Sanguinarian Vampire,” meaning we consume blood. There are others out there who claim to be Vampires by consuming energy, called “Psychic Vampires,” but in my belief they are energy manipulators – not Vampires. To be a Vampire you must consume blood, and this is done for the need of the blood – not the energy within it.

I had an early awakening at the age of 13, which was 18 years ago. I was lucky to have a friends a few years older that I who knew the signs to look for and helped me through it.


RVL: You contend that the retrovirus exists in “strands” does this suggest that the virus itself forms part of the DNA of the contributing parent rather than being carried in a normal virus’ form, like hepatitis for example?

Izidari: Exactly.  It is a genetic “mutation” if you will.  Again, it triggers a lower level of “fight or flight” through the Sympathetic Nervous System and basically, for us, the Parasympathetic Nervous System never shuts the former down.  A retrovirus is “of the DNA” anyway, so the strands are simply sub categories of the HERVs (Human Endogenous Retroviruses).  This is why, within our community, we are somewhat “on the fence” about turning.


RVL: Many virus’ that have existed prior to now, and exist today, have cures, do you think that the retrovirus can be cured?

Izidari: If it is integrated into one’s DNA, I would think that it would be difficult, or even impossible to “cure”.  Also, because it hasn’t been studied much, we don’t know whether it could be cured or not.  Many genetic mutations cannot be cured so we don’t believe it is possible.


RVL: Does the retrovirus typically “create” Sanguinarian vampires or are there other types of vampires included?

Izidari: We don’t use the term sanguinarian because all real vampires by this belief drinks blood so we don’t need to group people different.  Basically, you either are a vampire or you aren’t.  The reason is that, from my explanation above, the retrovirus is a physiological thing and therefore to quench a physical ailment, you must partake in physical sustenance.

Danica: When speaking of Vampirism, there is only one type – and that is what others call “Sanguinarian” or blood drinkers. The retrovirus gives us a physical need for blood.


RVL: At the time of a vampire’s “awakening” you suggest that the sympathetic nervous system is triggered and maintained, thereafter, at a constant low rate; though this has effects of papillary dilation and acceleration of the heart rate what about the inhibitive impact on the digestive system and, in particular, the adrenal glands? What problems do you think causes in the modern living vampire?


Izidari: Because adrenal glands deal with stress, vampires have to compensate by using other methods (example breathing techniques).  I know that I get stressed out rather easily but because I am a psychology major, I know techniques to help cope with that.  This is why that when a vampire attempts to turn someone into a vampire, if they have a predisposition to depression or violence, it is amplified if the turning actually works.

Danica: Headaches are a major factor in all of this. Migraines especially. Tactile sensory becomes more sensitive especially to heat – as our body temperatures run a degree or two cooler than a human’s.


RVL: What are the psychological hallmarks of a vampire that is a product of the retrovirus?


Izidari: There aren’t psychological hallmarks really considering that it is a physiological thing.  If I were to use my answer above and say that having trouble dealing with stress, I would be broadening the scope way too much as there are many individuals who find it difficult to deal with stress.  It’s more of the traits you can find listed on my blog and website which I linked below.

Danica: When awakening begins, you may feel like you have no control over what’s happening to your body. This combined with puberty can make you feel out of control and confused.


RVL: Why do you think that the retrovirus theory has not been as widely accepted as many of the other theories of vampiric evolution and existence?

Izidari: Well firstly, it is a very difficult concept to understand.  Also, it is rather selective and therefore many people, by our definition are not vampires and that deters people.  We welcome everyone, vampire or not, but I believe that because our traits are so specific, very few people fit under that category of “Retrovirus Vampire” and with that, very few people who are looking to fit in by lying about being a vampire actually come to us.  We are welcoming, but we do not tolerate when people act as a Roleplayer.  Also, we do try to stop enabling within our group and eradicate as much as possible.

Danica: I believe it is because people are holding onto the notion that psychic Vampires exist – which they do not. Energy manipulators aren’t touched by the retrovirus, they are simply able to touch and use the energy around them, yet they still hold onto the notion they are Vampires. Also, until more Vampires step up and agree to be tested on a wider scale, there will continue to be a lack of proof to others that believe the retrovirus isn’t real.


RVL: In considering Darwin’s theory of evolution we are in a time where his theories are coming under intense scrutiny and challenge, (see: Darwin’s Theory of Evolution – A theory in crisis) [] If, at some time, his theories are found to be in error where will that leave the foundation of the retrovirus theory?

Izidari: In all honesty, I don’t know that it will.  I mean we have bones of evolving humans.  More and more, people are finding more proof for Darwin rather than challenges.  The retrovirus itself came from when humans diverged from chimpanzees so I don’t know that, even if Darwin’s theory would be disproved, our foundation would be modified at all.


RVL: It has been written, elsewhere, that the “retrovirus” idea was first expounded by a television series creator by the name of Joe Ahearn (now defunct series ‘Ultraviolet’ – ) would you agree with this or is there an earlier point, and creator, of the theory that might have fed his ideas?

Izidari: I wholeheartedly disagree.  I’ve never seen the TV show or “Ultraviolet” but the retroviruses specific to humans were discovered around 1981 but have been in existence since the dawn of mankind.  I can assume that what the retrovirus does by our beliefs is not similar to the TV show or movie.

Danica: It’s hard to say where the theory first came from. We know that Vampires have been mentioned in all corners of the world for as long as people can remember. Scientific breakthroughs are not as old as these mentions, so determining where different theories came from is hard to say.

RVL: Given that Darwin’s theories suggest “evolution by natural selection”, what do you think are the next phases of vampiric evolution according to the retrovirus theory?

Izidari: I would say that we become more efficient and maybe find a way to have keener senses.  Eventually, I believe that our body may find a way to become more efficient with the blood that is being moved and we would either need to drink less or not drink at all.

Danica: This is hard to theorize. Our bodies may learn to adapt to our surroundings in a different way, or learn to deal with things such as sunlight in a more advantageous fashion. But I do believe that one thing will never change – the need for the blood we are missing.


RVL: Where can our readers find more information on the retrovirus theory and its details?

Izidari: Simply by reading more about retroviruses, evolution, and natural selection can help.  You can also check out the links below:

and to support the retrovirus vampires, you can now purchase items from my Cafepress store here:


RVL: We would like to thank Izidari and Danica for joining us this evening and sharing their knowledge of this fascinating theory with us.

Izidari: I really appreciate everyone for taking the time to read this interview as well as being open minded us.  If anyone has any further questions, you can email me at

Danica: Thank you very much for having us and for the very wonderful questions. It’s refreshing to find someone who wants to know things other than “do you sleep in a coffin” or “are you immortal?”


 In Conclusion

Everything that lives has followed its path of development because of DNA. It is because of DNA that we have the physical attributes we possess, it is because of DNA that we have certain health issues that we must face and it is because of DNA that the different races of mankind are delineated and identified so, is it so difficult to imagine that it is because of DNA that modern real living vampires exist?

It certainly has the foundation and the strength of possibility to stand next to any other theory and it probably has more ‘hard science’ supporting it than any other theory. The fact remains, however, that there are no test results or measurements as yet to either confirm or deny the probability and thus it takes its place next to the Sanguine and Psi theories that are probably the mainstays in the sub-culture.

To me, the most intriguing possibility is that we still do not know, 100% , what is in the Human Genome and that leaves room for possibilities that we can’t even imagine. Until the Vampire Retrovirus is eliminated as a possible cause, by scientific methods, we can’t eliminate it in our thinking about modern living vampirism ~ we can’t simply deny that something exists just because we can’t see it.

Do I believe in the Vampire Retrovirus Theory? Let’s just say I don’t “disbelieve” and I’m willing to wait and see what future facts and observations have in store for us.

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