Chatting with Vampires ~ The “V” word

21 Mar 2012

Vampiric self-definition is a right that each and every real living vampire has; the right to define their own “reality” based on personal experiences. Perhaps this is why there has been no universal definition for “Vampire” in the modern context. Each person’s experiences, each person’s feelings and each person’s thoughts are as unique and different as they are.

Added to this the normal growing and maturing of the person interplays with the concepts and the thinking that forms this self-definition, just as we grow and mature in real life so to do we in the vampire life span. Thoughts and feelings that one experiences at sixteen may be a far cry from the way they interpret and feel at 25, or 35, or 50 and so forth

We are all also aware that vampires; per se, do not exist, right? We spend a great deal of time telling newcomers that, right? Undead, blood-sucking revenants that rise from their graves at night to prey on the living are the stuff of fiction, superstition, folklore and Hollywood. Hollywood has also created vampire warriors for us to marvel at and, just lately, television and movie production companies have lead us to think of vampires as angst ridden young people with love problems and relationship issues as well as issues of self-image all tangled up with the need to consume blood. Confused? Well, I’m not surprised.

Come into the Online Vampire Community and look for the definition of a vampire, you won’t find a single one that is agreed upon by a majority even though the OVC has been discussing the matter since, oh around 1996 or something. Why is that you ask? Surely it should be a matter of some importance, if you’re going to call yourself a community, to decide what you are, if not who you are. Although most reputable definitions contain similar elements these days, such as a vampire being a person who needs to consume “blood or pranic energy (life-force)” for example, this overlooks the array of self-defining that is actually going on. A great many people, it seems, have a penchant for re-defining “vampire” to fit their own manner and ways. Where do “Elemental Vampires” fit in to this scope of definition? Is it a case of being told that “Elemental Vampires” do not exist by Sanguinarians, or Psi’s, or both? Are the lines being drawn, even now?

In 2011 one notable member of the OVC/VC voiced the opinion that it was time for the ‘sanguinarian’ vampire to divorce themselves from the ‘mainstream community’ and stop using the name ‘vampire’ in their self-identification. Ostensibly this would appear to stem from a desire to divorce one ‘class’ of modern vampire from the multitude of other ‘types’ or ‘classes’ that abound today but is it something more basic? Is it born of a desire to no longer be associated with heinous and irrational acts, in real life, of those claiming to be ‘vampires’?

We put a number of questions to several notable community members to get their views on whether it is indeed time to shift focus from the stereotype.

Accordingly, we would like to welcome,

Anon(ymous)

Reverend Mercutio of the House of Dark Light. Who provided us a brief biography to introduce him to our readership. “I grew up in Southern California. My interest in the metaphysical and spiritual world arose when I was near eleven years old and has continued on and off since then. I began learning spellwork at that age and later on began recognizing and familiarizing myself with my own energy and the energies around me. From there I began to learn about my own Vampyrism and those associated with it. I began doing more energy work with the help of a mentor, who also helped me with Vampyrism, and from there, branched out on my own. I have studies multiple religions and philosophies throughout my life that incorporate balance and energy work in the every day life and have come to my own eclectic view on things.”

And

Our regular guest Lady Starfire

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RVN: Thank you, to our guests, for your time today.

Starfire: Thank you to all who make up RVN for inviting me to participate. I find this site to be informative and on top of things. As always a pleasure

Anon: Thank you. It’s a pleasure to talk with you as well.

Reverend Mercutio: Thank you, it is definitely a pleasure to be here.

RVN: We are all aware that today, throughout the community, there are perhaps a majority number who do not identify with the stereotypical “Sanguinarian” vampire. Why do you think there are so many modern vampires that choose these alternatives?

A: Honestly, that’s a delicate question which I don’t feel fully qualified to address, but I’ll give it a shot:  In my opinion and from the observations of the community that I have made, there are two main reasons for sanguinarians being in the minority within the community.

First, there is nothing to bar anyone who wishes from entering the community. This leads to a mix of sanguinarian, psi-vampires, donors, role-players, lifestylers, fetishists, vampire fans, and those who are mentally unbalanced all entering into the same small community. While it might be beneficial in a climate of mutual respect for most of these groups to collaborate, share, and grow in respect and understanding of one another, this is not often the case. More often each of these are in conflict with one another.

Second, it is my understanding that this was not always the case — that in the past the vampire community was more focused on the sanguinarian vampire and any groups (donors and such) that would go along with that. This changed some time back and the community has become not only more inclusive but more fractured and less focused. The various groups are in conflict both as to what it is to be a vampire and what goals the community should have for itself.

Rev. M: As Human Beings, we are all too aware of what kinds of diseases and such that blood may carry. Be it HIV or any auto-immune disorder, the common cold or any other type of illness one may suffer, I believe that we have had a chance to realize that the easier and “safer” path is to feed from Prana, or the Spiritual Life-Force that dwells within everyone. So once one has established the ways to identify and harness Spiritual Energy, it becomes easier to tap into than having another human being offer their corporeal life-force energy (blood). With the way the community looks at blood feeding and having a consensual donor, it’s just easier for any of us to go the alternative path.

Lady S: I think a lot of people in the community don’t like the connotations that one associates with sanguinarian or vampire/vampyre in general. I think because of this many are turning to harnessing their “inner psi” or sexual “tantric” vampire. They try to get their needs met in any other fashion then the one they really need (to consume blood). To me this seems detrimental to not only them, but others in the community as well. We are who we are inside and out, there is nothing wrong or weird about us…we are just a different kind.

RVN: In 2011, CJ (a.k.a. The Infamous CJ) wrote an article entitled “A Sanguinarian Treatise: An Argument For Partition From The Vampire Community”  in which the observation was made,

A second “sang/psi war” would merely be an unfortunate side effect in the greater goal of delivering ourselves from the stigma associated with sanguinarianism and/or the perceived need to consume blood. There is nothing gained or lost by leaving a community in which has been redefined to the point that it no longer pertains to us. The term “vampire” now belongs to the metaphysicists. They can have it and its Halloweenish connotations.”

Do you think there is merit in the idea of Sanguinarians breaking away from the general vampire community?

Lady S: I think it is better to have more support, but in the end it is a personal decision one should make on their own. I support everyone’s right to make their own decisions (about anything) after all it is what makes the world go round. I feel regardless, the word vampire would still be there…since a lot of people think of blood drinkers as vampires, before they think of a psi or sexual vampire or elemental, etc.

A: While I have personally made some very good friends within the community who are not sanguinarian and value their friendships immensely, I do see the merit in having a haven, a separate community or working group for those of us who have a physical need for blood. There are issues which pertain to us alone and which are difficult, if not impossible, to discuss openly and effectively in a greatly diverse community. It is not the drama which concerns me — there is drama where ever humans gather — but rather it is the lack of united identity and goals. This lack of focus prevents us from having the ability to move forward in any meaningful way.

Rev. M: The term “Vampire” by definition is a predatory hunter, who feeds on the blood of living animals or human beings. Hollywood, indeed, has taken their toll on the conceptual idea of scary and bizarre ways of the Vampire. However, “Vampire” and “Vampyre” in our time have two different meanings, i.e. “Vampire” spelled with the letter “i” is meant for the Hollywood stereotype, and “Vampyre” with the “y” is meant to acknowledge Us as what we are today. However, Sanguinarians will always exist. Blood in itself is a higher, more potent concentration and a more direct means of feeding. For some Hybrids, Prana can only go so far until the need for blood becomes, as most suggest to call the term “The Thirst,” overbearing. It’s hard to believe that Sanguinarians will “wash-out.”

RVN: With the media obsession with vampire crimes that involve blood do you think that there is a real possibility of “Psi” vampires being understood and accepted any more readily than Sanguinarians?

Rev. M: The media will find any way to make anyone a fiend. Vampires have had their rap, and the media will not do anything to change that, even for the sake of understanding. I think that Us coming out as a Community will never go as planned, which I am very sorry to say. But, if we were to keep at a slow pace and appeal to people who are sensitive to the metaphysical and have an understanding of our causes, we can somehow dodge the media’s attention until we can “come out” at a more appropriate time.

Lady S: I think psi’s might actually have as hard a road to hoe in regards to being accepted. A lot of people don’t understand or believe in mediums and the like, so they are fearful of them.  It is somewhat the same with vampires of any kind. It is hard, but hopefully not impossible, to find a way to prove that we need the energy in order to function properly.

A: I don’t know really, and I’m not sure acceptance of Psi-vampires by the public has so much to do with the media focus on “vampiric” crimes as much as on the current climate in which anyone outside of the “norm” is viewed with fear and/or dislike.

RVN: Do you identify as a “real vampire” and, if so, what personal limitations do you place on yourself in being a modern, real vampire?

A: I’m not sure I understand the question. Yes, I identify as a real vampire, as a sanguinarian. Personal limitations? If by that you mean “What does it mean to be a vampire and what are the necessary prerequisites?”, then I would say that real (sanguinarian) vampirism is defined by the physical need for blood without which the individual suffers physical symptoms. Beyond that, there are no prerequisites, no dress code, no list of interests or hobbies, no code of behavior, and no set of beliefs or spiritual system. Those who would suggest that the lack of any or all of those things lessens the “reality” of one’s vampirism are in my opinion wrong.

Rev. M: I do identify myself as a “Real” or “Modern Vampyre.” I have had some work in Reiki Healing, dealing with the chakras of the human body and some energy work. When around family or personal friends, I do tend to “tame the beast” or cut myself off, out of decency and respect, when I feel that I need to feed and tend to make plans to feed with a consensual donor or otherwise to satisfy my “hunger” later on.

Lady S: I am not comfortable telling certain family or certain friends that I am a vampire, because of what they think on other issues. That is my main limitation in living a semi normal kin life. I am sure there are more, but right now nothing is coming to mind.

RVN: Do you believe it is a vital and necessary matter for the general public, or mundane world, to be convinced that modern vampires are just people with certain “special requirements”?

Rev. M: I believe Vampires or Vampirism in nature is a taboo subject for the public. It’s not something you hear people talk about on the street or in Starbucks at any given time. The Mundane world does not have to live or understand our issues or what we go through. Our treatment is feeding when necessary, and there is no cure – at least that I am aware of. And the only way it is discussed in modern medicine or science, is as a specified syndrome or disease affiliated with ones mental status – and their is a name for that, “Renfield’s Syndrome,” appropriately named after a character from Bram Stoker’s book, “Dracula.”

Lady S: I think in order for us to be totally accepted, yes they need to understand what makes us how we are. One cannot understand what one doesn’t know. Even if it’s not scientific proof, but people understanding point A to point B.

A: No, yes and yes. No, I don’t believe that Joe Public needs to know that there are real vampires, at least at this point. On the other hand, we don’t need Joe Public believing that those who are real vampires are universally evil or insane. It is either beneficial for Joe Public to know nothing or for Joe Public to understand that we are fully human individuals who differ in our needs. More importantly, however, if we are to move forward into determining the cause/origin of vampirism and find better ways to deal with our needs we will need to convince Dr. Public — the scientist/physician/researcher. We will need the support and aid of the scientific and medical community to move forward if we seek scientific/medical answers to our needs.

RVN: Do you think that “coming out of the coffin” publicly is a necessary step in convincing the public that vampires are not “bad”?

Lady S: It would help yes, but if everyone that is kin did come out, it might hurt them more then help them in their own life. I think it is a very personal decision, ether or not to come out. If people could see, vampires/kin are their brothers, aunts, friends…sure it would help.

A: As Sallah said to Dr. Jones: … very dangerous. You go first. — If  we are to convince the public that vampires are not bad, that we are pretty much the neighbor next door, then yes we will have to “come out of the coffin” eventually – at least some of us will. That’s a tricky business though, isn’t it? As things currently stand in public opinion, many of us risk discrimination and the backlash caused by fear and misunderstanding. We risk our jobs, our children, and maybe even our safety. It will take the right individuals speaking out in the right way in the right places to make it possible for others to follow them into the public view.

Rev. M: In essence, we are predators, and will always be seen as such. Of course, appealing to the younger populace, who tend to think otherwise with the movies like “Twilight” and “Underworld,” they tend to lean towards the abilities that they see on the big screen and want to be just like what they have seen. They go searching and when they discover that Our world is completely different than what they had seen and imagined, they will change their minds and turn their backs in disappointment – or the “fad” will simply fade. If we do make a public statement, if anyone would actually come to the attention of the media and general populace, it would have to be done in a very careful manner.

RVN: Do you think it is coming to a point where we need to dispense with the term “vampire” in order to be seen in a more favourable light as a community group?

A: Wow! That’s a tough question. It really is. On the one hand we have no other words, save perhaps “sanguinarian”, by which to identify ourselves. On the other hand, that word – vampire – is very, very loaded, isn’t it? It is burdened with all the Twilight, Dracula, horror-genre book and movie ideas about an archetype which only vaguely resembles the reality of what we are and what we live. It is a word I had great difficulty in applying to myself because of that, and it did cause me a considerable delay in being able to accept my own needs and enter into this community. “I have this need, but I’m not a vampire!”, I said to myself, “That’s just crazy!” Is it a barrier to others who are like me? I don’t know, but I suspect that it is. Is that sufficient cause to change the terminology? Maybe so, maybe not. Would it benefit us in public opinion to do so? Now that is a very good question… and perhaps it is the most convincing argument in favor of changing the term. It would certainly be a question that’s worth consideration and discussion.

Rev. M: I think what we describe ourselves as, as a Community, is the necessary affiliation. We do feed on blood; we are more keen and sensible during the night time hours, etc… As Shakespeare put it, “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.” If we were to call ourselves anything else, it would not matter. We would still be the same predatory beings we are now, and will forever be.

Lady S: How else would you describe us? Some of us drink blood, some ingest energy of plants or people. Technically we feed off of something, would you rather be called a leech? Energy worker just doesn’t really describe what I and others like me are…but if someone can come up with a better name for all of us…have at it by all means!

RVN: Do you any further comment that you would care to make on this subject?

Rev. M: (No further comment)

Lady S: I think that we have a long road to hoe in terms of being accepted by the mainstream. People will always hate what they cannot understand, so unless we find conrete proof of what makes us this way…we shall have people despise us (and some may continue to do so even after proof). I believe it is an individuals right to come out or not come out of the coffin. To me it is akin to coming out of any closet. I do think though that if some of the more levelheaded “normal” of our community came out, people might look more favorably on us. I mean after all who would you must likely listen to a crazy wackadoo spouting stuff or a person who logically states the points about us (to make one understand what we are)?

A: Not at this time.

RVN: We would like to express our gratitude to our honoured guests, both for your time today and for sharing your views with us.

Starfire: It was great talking to you. It is nice to share my views and learn what others are thinking also.

A. You’re welcome and thank you for asking me to be a part of this discussion.

Rev. M: Thank you for having me, Blessed Be.

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A well known community figure commented to me recently, in an email, that if someone no longer identified themselves as a real living vampire when they had done so for some time then perhaps they were never a vampire in the first place. I would suggest that it is more a case of re-defining oneself based on ongoing and cumulative experience and learning. Change is inevitable, nothing stays the same forever in this world and if I might draw an analogy, take for example a young person who spends a great deal of time engaged in the riotous activities of youth, it might be heavy drinking, experimenting with drugs, highly risky activities or whatever the case may be then, as that person grows and matures they cease these activities and begin to re-define themselves psychologically, morally and ethically and so they fit more neatly into society for one, and more neatly into their new “self-definition” for the other.

Perhaps it is time to start thinking outside the proverbial square? Is it time to recognize, more fully and diligently, that there is strong representation in the community of those who identify with neither Sang nor Psi vampirism and therefore, is it time to start thinking about a more radical and progressive re-definition than ever before.

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Chatting with Vampires ~ One-on-One ~ Alison Demzon

28 Mar 2012


Presented by: Tim

There are many fine people in the vampire community, both on and offline, people who believe in the best that the community can offer, who believe that there is a vital and necessary message that needs to be sent out.

Our guest today is a real, modern vampire, a business owner, and parent of two. Most of her time not spent with kids or making jewelry is spent expanding her knowledge base on various subjects, or working on other projects in the Denver area.

RVN would like to welcome…

Alison Demzon

RVN: Thank you for affording the time to participate in this interview Alison.

Alison: Thanks for asking me; I don’t seem to be exactly popular. It should be remembered that the one that challenges things is the one that changes things though.

RVN: If I may start with question based on recent events, you recently did an interview with The Meta-Para page at WordPress in which you responded, when asked, Where do you want to see the Online Vampire communities in the future?, by saying Gone. Truly

What sort of responses did you receive from the statement and the remainder of your statement in that interview?

Alison: The latter part of that question is more interesting; no one really addressed anything else that I said.  Everything that people complained about was centered on those first two words. Only a few noticed more than that.

Part of the problem over all though is that I did misread the question some. The person running that sent me the questions and said get it back by the next morning. What I read was “Where do you see…” rather than “Where do you want to see…” This is my fault for answering stuff too late at night, but the questions could have been worded a bit better as well I think.

RVN: Its something that we have all fallen prey to at one time or another I think, so lets take the opportunity to revisit the question and set the record straight.

Where do you want to see the community in the future?

Alison: Back where it should have been, and cleaned out of all the distractions.

RVN: Do you think the responses were justified or were they the result of a misunderstanding of the context of your answer?

Alison: Most of the responses seemed very reactionary, and focused on the preconceived idea that I am some terrible person it seemed. There were a few that read the entirety before reacting, and realized that I was responding to a slightly different question than what was asked.

RVN: What do you believe the community is not doing that would enhance its image and its reputation?

Alison: Everything. The community does nothing that would help, because all of the time and energy is spent telling those that are trying to make things better that they can’t; and they are right, because nothing will change with that many people standing in the way of change.

The other major problem is that of those that show up in the general media there are two groups; the mystics, and the crazies. The crazies are the ones that blame vampirism for the crime that they have committed. In some cases the people do have ties to the community. The problem here is the response; nothing but fighting among ourselves on what to do to improve the image of the community. In the end nothing gets done or said and the image is perpetuated that the VC is a danger to the world.

The mystics are a problem to the external image as much as they are to the community itself. They generally go on tv and talk about how some insubstantial energy is what all vampires need to survive. I have rarely seen anyone that is not absolutist on energy in the media, and they never provide anything but excuses for not being able to explain what this energy is coherently. The problem here is that there is no substantiated proof of the energy, nor of the need for it; and definitely not of the possible death with out it as has been claimed by some. Again, the response to this is silence. But in this case it is because of the idea that won out years ago of anyone that can say the phrase ‘I am a vampire’ can be a part of the community.

RVN: How extensive is your own involvement with the community?

Alison: For a while I did nothing because I didn’t have the time, nor the inclination to get tied up in arguments with people that have no willingness to think logically, and are firmly entrenched in their religion. Before that I was very involved with the OVC because of there not being much of a community in the Denver, or Cheyenne areas where I was at that time. Previous to that, 20 years ago now, I was very involved with the tiny existence that there was of a local community until it just went away because of people leaving the area, and it becoming much more mystical/religion based.

RVN: What do you think needs to be the focus of the community in the near to mid-term future?

Alison: The first thing that needs to be done is actually come together as one group with a common goal rather than the five types that exist now. Mainly, three of those need to go and find their own existence. The base that started all of this was not a religion, a lifestyle, or a psychological problem. The delusional need to deal with it and actually use the medication they were prescribed; the religion needs to, just as other religions, get the hell out of the way of progress and allow the reality to continue; and the lifestyle kids need to go back to their night clubs with Todd Sebastian.

After that a cohesive whole needs to be formed around the idea of investigation of the two remaining groups; the psy feed, and the blood feed. The primary focus, mainly because there is something to work with, would need to be on the blood feeders. At the same time a rebuilding of the the community’s image publicly would need to happen.

RVN: Do you think the community is providing enough support and direction for newcomers today?

Alison : I don’t see that it offers any. A person comes in and they are inundated with mystical crap, and at the same time others looking at facts and provable information. Anyone that tries to provide fact is shouted down for the same thing I am getting tired of hearing everywhere; “you are oppressing my religious freedom.” The net result is absolute confusion, and misdirection.

RVN: If there was one thing you could have changed in, or put into, the community, what would that be?

Alison: More over remove. Just those three types that confuse things and waste time that I mentioned before being the biggest part of the list. The only thing left on that list would be the posturing and extreme resistance to doing actual investigative science.

RVN: Wed like to find out a little about your current projects now. You are the owner of Demzon Creations we believe, would you tell us a bit about that?

Alison: Well, I am a custom jeweler. I take ideas and concepts and turn them in to wearable art. The best way to explain is just point people to facebook.com/DemzonCreations where there are pictures of nearly everything, at least the impressive stuff. I do not work with white gold or platinum though. Mainly because white gold is annoying for the extra chemistry involved, and platinum is way too hot for my torch. The one I use only goes up to 1500f and platinum starts at 2000f.

RVN: Have you any plans for business expansion?

Alison: I am getting things set up on eBay right now after a few other experiments that didn’t work out. Right now, sales are still down primarily due to economic conditions. As one jewelry industry article pointed out; jewelers is only useful to one person in the house. The idea being that sales are down for everyone in jewelry because, for example, a TV, or refrigerator is used by everyone in the household; but a ring, or necklace is only usually used by one member of that household. Add to that fear driving up metals prices, and thus end product price too.

RVN: Amongst your other projects is the Facebook group Help Stop Cyberbullies, are you involved with any other groups like this?

Alison: Sort of, but not entirely. I follow a good many online and I have offered myself up for my local school district when they need advice on LGBT issues and resources, and they have taken me up on that from time to time.

I am also going to be going back to take the last few classes that I need for a degree in psychology. This is to make me more useful in helping progress in the VC and the LGBT community; as well as with individual help because there is not enough out there for gender identity specific.

RVN: Do you have further plans for media involvement within the scope of these other projects?

Alison: Well, if I get sales going good with the jewelry side of things I will likely get around to doing commercials; maybe. If I end up doing something interesting in psychology I guess it would be a requirement to do interviews and appearances.

RVN: May we ask, how do you define your personal modern vampirism?

Alison: A medical condition that has yet to be fully understood.

RVN: What limitations do you place on yourself as a real modern vampire?

Alison: No more than I do as anything else that makes up the whole picture of me. I never limit things, but I don’t generally do anything that is not fully considered with some reason for doing so.

RVN: If we may ask, in your personal opinion are there any organizations that are capable of building on what the OVC currently has and making it stronger and more durable?

Alison: There was, and there have been some good ideas for some. Mostly they have all fallen prey to the ego or ineptitude of a few individuals, or were not implemented in any useful way. What we get then is a bunch of hollow shells that present themselves as useful but with no substance once you get beyond the fancy and ambitious mission statements.

RVN: Do you have any other comments that you would like to make about real modern vampirism, or the online vampire community?

Alison: It hasn’t changed since the move to be overly inclusive and politically correct at the whim of a few. If Michelle and Todd had not won out on that and the Black Veil plagiarism we might have been some where by now.

RVN: You mention the plagiarism of the Black Veil, it is commonly held that Father Sebastiaan and Michelle Belanger were the original authors of the BV, and that Lady Melanie and again, Michelle Belanger, revised the document before the COVICA revision was adopted. What other sources do you know of may we ask?

Alison: As Picasso said, and many other before and after, “good artists borrow, great artists steal.” that is to say that if you want to be good and seem like you are original don’t let people make the connection between what you created as a derivative item and the original.

The story starts on this one with the community being offered a set of guidelines that the two were offering; Michelle Belanger and Todd Sebastian. Not long after it was shown quite a few saw the first line and knew exactly where it came from; “above all: uphold the masquerade.” After many of us checked it was verified that this set of “original” rules was in fact a direct, word for word copy of the rules for vampire society in White Wolf Games Vampire: the Masquerade.

A few years later I came across a little bit more on this in a claim that Todd found them in an ancient book and posted them in his bar for fun. More recently, a news channel came across what is sensible enough to be the truth.

This version is much less impressive. It starts with a bar owner trying to get more business in. Eventually he sees that vampires are gaining attention and goes for that marketing angle; a vampire bar. To add to the ambiance somehow he comes across and posts a photocopy of the page that has the ten rules of the “Masquerade” to the wall in, or near, the entry. Later he was interviewed by the Discovery Channel regarding the fangs that he had just started making not long before. In the interview he stated that vampires are not real, and that it is just people having fun; he saw his business drop soon after I would think and got plenty of letters telling him how wrong he was. This presented an opportunity to expand, and to rebuild into a new person to get better sales, and soon enough people would forget; and so he became “Father Todd.”

After all of this he and Michelle presented this set of rules to the OVC claiming they were original and was found to be plagiarized. They reworded the whole thing and represented them. The rest is well known, and correct from there.

There is no mystical link; no ancient rites; no reason for them to exist. Just two people trying to make money, and doing so.

RVN: Thank you very much indeed for giving us your time today Alison, we wish you well in your endeavors and business.

Alison: Thank you.

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An intriguing and intelligent person and one who is not afraid to speak out and do so in an honest and no-frills manner. The essence of making something better lies in being able to look it over objectively and see its faults. There are those who can look on objectively, almost impassively and there are those who are able to see the faults but not enough of the picture, overall, to be able to make it better ~ without help that is.

Sometimes the answers are so obvious that it takes someone like our guest today to make us see them.

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Chatting with NO Vampires ~ Part 2.

5 April 2012

As we advised in Part 1 of this special feature, RVN decided to make contact with a number of people and ask some questions to gauge what their reactions to them would be as people who are not real vampires, are not connected to “the community” except in an observational way, a remote way or not directly connected at all except perhaps through some small interest in research.

 

Accordingly, for this special edition of “Chatting with Vampires” we decided to change the recipe ~ we left out the vampires!

In part two of this two part article we would like to welcome our guests, J.V. Krakowski, Johan and Ric

J.V. Krakowski tells us, of herself, “I am J.V Krakowski, an aspiring writer, psychic development teacher and practicing Witch from Southern California.

Before the community, I wasn’t interested in vampires, nor ever really read vampire fiction. I’d like to say I developed an interest out of curiosity, but I was helping a friend avoid doing something epically stupid. I was trying to protect her from someone that I felt wasn’t good for her.

Through that, I discovered Real Vampires. The first few experiences were horrible, but I eventually met some nice, knowledgeable and iJohan relates this, “I once dated a vampire. It was interesting, enticing and at moments hugely disturbing. The person definitely had a great impact on my life. Although we parted quite violently so to speak, none of the curses she put on me ever had any effect, as I am very happy with my life right now. Through her, I learned about vampires and their ways, while I should have learned what I needed to know for exams at University. She had her teeth fixed to be fangs, she claimed to be able to stay forever young, that she wanted to drink my blood and I saw her coffin, although she slept in a bed as far as I know. She was quite the character.”

Ric is the husband of a lady sanguinarian vampire.

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RVN: Good evening and welcome to Real Vampire News. Ok, just to break the ice and before we get into the good stuff, who’s your favourite vampire?

JVK: Merticus! He’s been eluding me for years, I swear. I’ve been trying to figure out his secret to knowing so much before anyone else. If I had to name a favorite vampire, it would be him. I’ve asked him, but he hasn’t told me. He’s like mertipedia…

J: Haha, well I guess it would be Selene from the movie Underworld or ‘Vampire Princess Miyu’ from the anime with the same name. Both are purely fictional characters though.

R: Well my wife is my favorite lol.

 

RVN: When you think of the word “Vampire” what, immediately, comes to mind?

J: Fangs and blood drinking. I’m old fashioned.

R: Movies and Hollywood .

JVK: Honestly, I’ve been involved with real vampires for so many years that I just imagine real people.

Then again, maybe someone that sparkles like Edward Cullen? (It’s a private joke between a few vamp friends and me.) That would be a justice, really. Something strong, dark and powerful. I think many young vampires feel jilted to discover everything isn’t what myth told them it would be.

 

RVN: If we use the term “Real Living Vampire”, what, immediately, comes to mind?

J: I would have to say that a certain individual from my past comes to mind. Until I met her my first reaction would have been: wait, what?

JVK: A leather wearing person with an edge of creepy.

I’m sorry, but so many vamps I’ve met wear dark, gothic styles—mostly made of vinyl and leather. At a few gatherings I’ve attended, I felt like a freak in a white top and denim jeans. I looked like a freak, too.

R: Goth or dark clothing.

 

RVN: What, if any, knowledge do you have of the subculture and community of persons that define themselves as modern living vampires?

JVK: I would like to think my knowledge is somewhat extensive, but I’ve known many to know more than me. (Ex: Merticus) While I’ve been an observer within the vampire community, there is much I have to discover and understand about it.

I grew up with vampires, to be honest. I’ve learned that many are individuals that band together to understand an unexplainable condition. While fights are passionate and maybe frequent, they still befriend and/or tolerate each other because nobody else would understand their hardships and suffering more than each other. I’ve seen a remarkable ability to band together towards common goals, level headed reasoning and a desire for something better. It’s qualities that are rare, which I find interesting to find within a subculture that society views as dark outcast.

R: Just what I’ve read or heard.

J: I know of a community in Europe (sorry to not be specific), where I used to live and through an intimate relationship with a member, I found out the following stuff.

This particular community holds initiation ceremonies and parties; the members drink blood from people. It makes them feel awesome. There is a hierarchical structure and some people or should I say vampires hold power over others. This means a certain amount of wealth for the individuals at the top, I’m sure. They like to speak Latin or Romanian. People may or may not have coffins and may or may not sleep in them.

 

RVN: What, in your opinion, are the key factors that would attract people to this “community”?

R: a sense of family or fitting in.

J: I think a sense of belonging compared with an adversity towards religion is a good motivation to look to belong to this type of group. Vampires are considered cool and I guess people can feel regular society is boring and insufficient.

JVK: In my experience, many people are attracted to an idea that vampires are powerful, immortal and/or untouchable. They want to be more—something wonderful and exciting. They want something to solve every problem, right every mistake and provide comfort.

Humans, by nature, fear darkness and the unknown. On a whole, vampires represent an unnatural immunity to that through camaraderie with it. Instead of living in fear, they surge forward to master and tame it.

That would be attractive to many people.

For young vampires, many yearn for a sense of understanding and belonging. They want someplace that understands their problems, help them solve it and provide a cure.

We’ve heard many stories like that, whether you realize it or not.

A person discovers he/she is a vampire, denies it through an attempt to prove it wrong.

In those cases, I would imagine a sense of home attracts them.

 

RVN: If you were approached by a person who introduced themselves and said “I am a real vampire” what would your first reaction be?

J: I would try to find out more about this person. If they belong to a community or if they are loners or if they are joking. :p

R: Nice to meet you. When did you discover you were a vampire?

JVK: First off, I’d wonder why I was lucky enough to get that introduction. Was I listed somewhere? Who gave me up now? After that, I’d wonder what sort of help that person required. When that’s done, I’d pray, ‘Goddess…please tell me he’s not crazy.’

In general, I’ve rarely gotten an odd introduction without someone needing something. I help people, so most people that come to me want help in some way. It usually means stress, weird circumstances and bizarre secrets.

If you want an absolute first reaction, I’d probably be thinking, ‘Goddess…not again.’

 

RVN: There have been a number of books written by, and about, modern vampires, such as,

The Psychic Vampires Guide: To Subtle Body Language and Psionics

~ Lono Fructus Vespertilio

Piercing the Darkness: Undercover with Vampires in America Today

~ Katherine Ramsland

The Psychic Vampire Codex: A Manual of Magick and Energy Work

~ Michelle A. Belanger

Vampyre Sanguinomicon: The Lexicon of the Living Vampire

~ Father Sebastiaan

Vampires Today: The Truth about Modern Vampirism

~ Dr. Joseph Laycock

Have you heard of, or read, any of these titles? Would you be interested in reading them? Why or Why not?

JVK: Lono Vespertilio is a friend of mine, so I’ve been meaning to read his book. He’s a great guy—knowledgeable and dedicated. I would imagine his book shows that.

In general, any non-fiction reading I do is for research and/or recommendation. While I’ve heard of these authors, I haven’t picked up their books. They’ve been highly recommended, but I haveWhy buy a book with so many living, breathing resources around? There are plenty of community elders available for a chat. If I really needed something, I could just ask a few key people to send out an announcement for me, and then I’d get what I needed. I’ve done it.

It’s much faster than Amazon or Google.

R: I have not heard of any of those books but the Sanguinomicon: would be an interesting read. It might help me understand my wife a little more.

J: As a writer, I follow the advice of George RR Martin: write! Write! Read! Read! Good books will tell you how and what to write, bad books will tell you what not to write. I’m writing a zombie story now, but who knows in the future…

I haven’t read any, but I would expect them to be either mysterious, informative or a combination of a known science with some spiritualism. You don’t have to be a psychic vampire to scare people of on the street or make people lose their thoughts or make people depressed, any work on psychology or psycho-analysis can give you that ability.

Of course Freud and Young could have been psychic vampires, haha.

 

RVN: If you received a V.I.P. invitation to attend an “Endless Night Vampire Ball” how likely would you be to attend and why, or why not?

R: Likely because I would support my wife in her beliefs.

J: The person from my past, who was a ‘vampire’, is a person I would prefer to not ever meet again. Not on her being a vampire, just on a personal level. This means that I wJVK: I’ve wanted to attend a gathering for years, but so many of them are hundreds of miles away! I couldn’t afford a plane ticket—much less housing, food and so forth. If I could attend a gathering a bit closer (like Southern California), I would definitely attend. It’s a personal goal—to attend a gathering instead of reading about it.

You have no idea how much envy I feel for people that attend them.

 

RVN: Despite there being no medical evidence currently available there are those who claim that they need to ingest blood in order to remain fit and healthy. How would you react to these claims?

J: People can be vegetarians and be healthy, but nevertheless most people hunger for meat. If you would take it away, they would feel weak. I guess it is a psycho-somatic state.

R: Stranger things have happened and if that helps make them feel better then go for it.

JVK: Honestly, I haven’t thought about it. I’ve met many types of people, lifestyles and beliefs. I’ve encountered weirder things than that, so it doesn’t bother or concern me either way.

As for energy, that’s an easy leap to make. There is a possibility that a person can absorb energy to maintain health because it’s been a belief spanning many cultures and societies—many of which had no historical connections or contact with each other. How would you explain similar or identical beliefs in 2 groups thousands of miles apart?

The downfall of science is a belief that we have nothing more to learn. When you believe that, you start to miss important things.

 

RVN: If you come across a story in the media wherein a person makes a claim that they are “a vampire” what is your first thought?

R: Oh my here we go again lol. Only because of the Hollywood movies.

JVK: Acute embarrassment.

While I agree with mainstreaming, I disagree with attracting publicity purposely. I’d rather not make anyone into a freak show, but that seems increasingly prevalent.

J: They are stupid. Even a child will know that this person is never going to be taken seriously. So no matter what you believe, it is strange to claim such a thing in the media. You should say that you belong to a community with interest in vampire activities, like a vampire club. How hardcore the club is I would keep to myself. Lots of people believe themselves to be not human, but why would you admit to it openly?

 

RVN: When you think about the term “community”, in a general sense, what do you understand the term to mean?

JVK: Family. Home.

A gathering of people that understand and support you.

R: Family and neighbor watching out for each other and helping each other.

J: I think it is a place where people live together or function together in a stable way. The fluctuations in members of the community are usually limited. Fluctuation in amounts of members usually means either globalization, transformation or collapse.

 

RVN: In your opinion, what are the vital ingredients that a “community” needs to be able to exist and function effectively?

R: Support and togetherness

J: A community needs interaction to function. You will be better friends with someone you see every day or talk to every day than someone you only see once in a while. This means what to do for a highly effective community is to meet on a regular basis. What is done at those meetings is of lesser importance.

JVK: A level head, intelligence and a willingness to work together—despite any and all differences. It helps to have a sense of family—an understanding, support and bond that holds it together.

A sense that says, “Despite everything that happens, we’re among those that’ll understand your hardships and suffering. We’ve been there and done that, so it’s okay. You’ll make it.”

 

RVN: Do you have any general comments that you would like to make on the matter of modern real vampires and their community?

R: I wish that the world [would] wake up and let bygones be bygones.

JVK:  The vampire community is interesting because it’s a sense of hope for different communities that hide from society. It’s a role model for mainstreaming, giving a glimpse into a world where nobody has to hide.

Try setting a good example because people are watching and hoping.

J: I would imagine the communities to be highly dispersed and definitely not unified. This means that there are probably lots of different kinds of communities and lots of different individuals within those communities. Why would you call them modern vampires? Don’t they live forever and would they not be both modern as well as ancient?

RVN: Thank you very much for spending this time with us and for giving us your insights, we appreciate your participation.

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Truly a valuable insight into the thoughts and perceptions of those who are not intimately part of the community, nor swayed by its undercurrents by being real living vampires. In reading the responses from our gracious guests you might be sitting there with cries of “stereotyping”, “misconception” and the like about to drop from your tongue but stop and think for one moment, the views and opinions that have been expressed are how people outside the community, those who have no axe to grind and differing levels of feeling about the modern vampire subculture have reacted. In the main, from the standpoint of basic knowledge of the subject and this makes their contribution to this article extremely valuable to those who would see change wrought within the VC/OVC.

Copyright RVN, C. Michael Forsyth, Darren Mann, Nadine Maritz, J.V. Krakowski, Johan and Ric, 2012

 

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