Special Edition – Sang vs Psi: Making a Case for Separation ~ by Lady CG

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Good evening,
Tonight we have the honour of bringing to you an article written by the renowned, and highly respected, modern vampire sub-culture leader Lady CG of Smoke and Mirrors. The topic is not a new one, indeed, many may well recall past writings of a lady who went by the name of The Infamous CJ, the topic may well arouse the same discussions and tit-for-tat contests that often go hand-in-hand with such things in the modern sub-culture but it also marks a return to a question that goes much deeper than it seems at first glance.

On January 1, 1863 the President of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, issued The Emancipation Proclamation that was aimed at all of the areas in rebellion during the Civil War. It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in the eleven states that were still in rebellion. It marked the recognition of a segment of the population of the United States as being free to make their own decisions and lives within the larger cultural group of the population of the country.

In 1918 the Representation of the People Act was passed, enfranchising women over the age of 30 who met minimum property qualifications and giving them the right to vote in the United Kingdom. The Representation of the People Act 1928 extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21.

Two examples of two different cultures recognizing the right of a sub-cultural group to exercise not only their inalienable rights as members of the human race but also opening the door for later petitions by other sub-cultural groups, such as the contemporary recognition afforded the Wiccan movement, to be recognized as valid and valuable parts of the whole. The topic was also touched on, and superbly so, in the July 2012 editorial by Lady Elzie Roze, “Bigotry in a Marginalized Minority Community – Vampires and Human Rights

RVL E-Zine is very pleased to be able to reprint, with full permission of the author,

Sang vs Psi: Making a Case for Separation
(or, I Want My Blood, and Drink it too!)

I got involved in a conversation the other day that inspired some soul searching, on my part. I thought I’d share my mental processes and perhaps shed some light on what causes Sangunarians to occasionally opt out of the greater Vampire Community. While I do not know if it is wise or even possible to separate the VC into its individual component groups, I DO believe that there is a need in the community for more separation then it currently has, or a change in community politics if the greater Community wants to keep its Sangs around over the long term. There is already and alarming exodus of older Sangs to private communities and away from public shared communities. There is much to gain from this, but also a chance that much will be lost.

I was an active community leader for many years. Stress and bickering and Community drama caused me to actually leave the entire VC for a couple of years. I’m back, but I have little public interest beyond my Sangs and my Vamplings. I’ll fight tooth and nail to protect them, but I don’t have a ton of interest in the community beyond that, and they are the only ones I come out fighting for now. There are some good reasons for that. While it’s true much of the Community is very supportive of Blood Drinking, there is a vocal minority that make becoming a healthy Sang a damned if you do and damned if you don’t proposition.

The Problem:

The most difficult part of being a blood drinker is that there is no politically correct way to get the blood we require to feed. We require blood. It’s dangerous to take it from donors (disease, accidents) and it’s cruel to use animals… We’re threatened with criminal charges, we’re attacked for our feeding methods on all sides. We’re told by some that we should “evolve” to feed on methods that do not suit our nature, we are expected to live up to the expectations of those who do not need blood and when we can’t magickally conjure it out of thin air we’re damned for incidents of rage, dramatics and expected to behave like normal people, no matter the results of our inability to feed, especially if that inability to feed creates media worthy incidents that draw negative attention to the Vampire Community.

It’s difficult to feed in a way that is considered safe and politically correct, and yet that very necessity is the answer to minimizing negative incidents in and around the community. An unfed Sanguinarian is an unstable Sanguinarian. If there was a way to insure that everyone who needed blood could safely get enough the number of incidents would decline dramatically. Desperate Vamps find desperate solutions, or they act out in rage. Non Sangs seldom understand that starving Sangs are not that different from any starving creature. We get sick and we get cranky and we get desperate. Think of the difference it would make to our public image if there were no headlines regarding slips of the knife, forced feedings, animal cruelty by beginners learning to kill animals for blood. Think of the difference if every Sang knew how and where to get blood and how much they required.

Sadly there is far too much stigma attached to blood feeding in the VCs present state of evolution. There are few places where this kind of information can be passed on publicly or in a way that would reach everyone who needs it. There is far too much condemnation from our own community when it is here that Sangs should find the most help and support. The topic of blood drinking is unwelcome on most boards and groups and certainly not welcome in any positive way in news groups and other semi-public Facebook groups, which have become the primary means of communication within the VC at this time, if they were ever welcome at all. Want proof? Try bringing up killing animals for blood on any group and see the results. How do we pass on information and techniques without talking about it publicly? How do we catch young Sangs before they learn bad habits or make horrible mistakes that lead to incidents that might make the news? As the community stands right now, it’s almost impossible.

The Solutions:

I’m one of the leaders with the opinion that we Sangs need our own community and should drop the name “Vampire” and just leave the rest of the community behind. While I believe the greater community WANTS to help, it’s clear that many have no desire to support or help Sangs, and even those who do realize there is a liability involved. We are not politically correct enough.

While I believe there are ways Sangs and other sectors in the community complement each other, it becomes more and more clear that we need our own communities where we can insure our kind are being fed and are healthy. The community in general doesn’t seem to see its better for the public image of the VC when blood drinkers are properly educated. Fewer media worthy incidents are a GOOD thing. Of course.. It’s not as easy as it sounds to separate ourselves from the community we presently inhabit and have taken part of for years.

The problem lies, in this case, in the fact that other Vamp communities feel threatened when Sangs talk about leaving the community all together. I’m sure almost everyone is aware of the Psi / Sang wars back in the 90s. Psi’s demanded the right to part of the Vampire Community, which originally only encompassed Sangs and our donors.
(We’ve been trying to get rid of them ever since – I jest, of course, sort of -don’t get your knickers in a twist, we all know I have a back handed sense of humour)

I have a lot of Psi friends, and I do believe there are places where it benefits us to have joint projects, my own message board is open to Psi’s, Sangs and most of the Otherkin communities, but we are NOT the same, and for some reason the idea of Sangs going off on their own again panics the community. I can understand why Hybrids would find it threatening, though.

When I owned the board S&M DARK, a more “adult” version of Smoke and Mirrors I had separate forums for Psi and Sangs, and as an experiment, made people choose which one they would be in, they could NOT be in both. It was very difficult to watch hybrids try to decide where they belonged, and not an experiment I’d want to do on a community wide basis. That said, there needs to be a better system than we have at present.

The sad thing is: It should not be NECESSARY to separate the Sang and Psi communities at all. We do have much in common.. but as long as the communities are joined at the hip, it will be impossible to get MOST Sangs feeding the way they need to for optimum health, and “incidents” are going to continue happening as long as we have unfed Sangs running around. We will continue to have unfed Sangs running around as long as other parts of the community continue pressure to make the community politically correct. We can’t have it both ways. If Sang feeding continues to be demonized the attached stigma will continue to prevent us from creating a truly healthy Sang community. The lack of a healthy Sang community is what demonizes Sang feeding in the first place. It’s an endless cycle

The first step to a healthy Sang community is breaking the cycle and teaching EVERY Sang that it’s OK to feed, and that there are healthy, even legal ways to do that.

I realize this opinion piece will likely create a lot of discussion, and I hope it does. I’m known for shooting straight from the hip and I think I’ve done that here, though I probably should have followed advice from Anthony Hogg when we were discussing the topic:
…framed as a dietary thing, it would be much more…palatable, heh heh

Stay Well.
Stay Fed.
Lady CG 2014

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I would suggest that we are not simply looking at a “separatist” issue; we are not looking at some attempt to establish an “elite” class that hold themselves over and above others… no, what we are reading here is a representation of the RIGHTS of every person of a sub-cultural group to follow their own path, believe in their own beliefs and the basic HUMAN right to be left in peace to explore their own identity and group consciousness without fear of malice, vilification or interference. As long as the group does so WITHOUT harm to any other then this is, and must be, as hundreds of commentators have pointed out before, a basic right to be respected and an assured right for EVERYONE.

Perhaps now is the time that the wider sub-culture extends those basic rights to the Sanguinarian community.

 

Guest article: “Sang vs Psi: Making a Case for Separation” copyright Lady CG 2014
Reproduced by RVL with full permission.

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Calling the West Coast of U.S.A… calling the West Coast…

sony-f23-cameraWe received the following message/request a few days ago and posted it at RVL Facebook… the producers are on a fairly tight timeline and would like to make the following offer…

Hello,

I am writing to you on behalf of a US television production company – SD Media (www.sd.media.net). We are currently producing a Travel/Adventure show called “THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED” where the host, Jonathan Legg, travels the globe seeking out unique and exotic experiences.
 
During the course of this series, Jonathan takes a look into the vampire lifestyle meeting real-life vampires in various locations around the world; France & the UK for example to name but two.
 
He is currently looking to meet with a sanguinarian vampire, preferably on the West Coast of the United States, and for the purpose of the show, would like to become a donor for this person.
 
While researching this topic, I came across your website “Real Vampire Life” and was wondering if you could help us identify and reach out to a potential participant preferably on the West Coast, However, if you don’t have any contacts on the West Coast, we are prepared to travel to another sate, even if we are a little bit short on time. Any help you could offer in steering us in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
The idea is not to sensationalize the vampire lifestyle but to portray it as it is. In order to demonstrate authenticity, Jonathan will go to a clinic, test and have a small amount of blood drawn. He will taste it himself and have the sanguinarian vampire taste it on screen.
 
We can put the person’s face in shadow and/or mask their voice if desired.
 
The crew is small consisting of 2-3 people: Jonathan the host, a cameraman and possibly an assistant with very light equipment.
 
To learn more about the show, please click on the link : http://www.sd-media.net/clients/  or if you would like to discuss the project in more detail, please feel free to contact the show producer – Sashi De on 916 293 1791.
 
As we are working on a tight schedule, we would appreciate any feedback from you as soon as possible.
 
Thank you for your time.
 
Kind regards,
Ann FITZGERALD
Researcher

SD MEDIA
http://www.sd-media.net “We, at RVL, do not, and will never, divulge private information about anyone we know and so the ball’s in your court folks… do you want to take part, simply follow the directions in the email message shown above and good luck.
Regards,
RVL Staff

 

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Crossroads – Suffer the little child?

Crossroads_lightning_storm_imgPresented by

T.H. Hawkmoor

This a piece that I have wanted to write for a couple of weeks and the reason that I haven’t, until now, is that I needed to make sure of my own feelings and thoughts in the matter before committing anything to print. I also believe that this represents one of the single most important issues that our sub-culture has ever, and will continue to have to, recognize.

In the King James Version of the Christian Bible, Matthew, Chapter 19, it was written:

13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Recently a picture, a hand-drawn piece of art, was displayed fairly prominently, that depicted a vampire (who bore an uncanny resemblance to a friend of ours) about to bite into the neck of a child. The child was obviously, by facial expression, in some distress and appeared to be of an age of around 6 to 8 years old.

I’m going to come right out and give you my personal opinion on the piece – I was distressed at the image of a young child about to become the victim of a “predator”. It offended me because I am a parent and on the basest of levels it made me recall the vulnerability of my own children at such an age. That was my response at seeing the picture.

They say you should never judge a book by its cover so I decided to calm down and think it over before writing about it ~ I have calmed down…
There is, as many of you will already know, historical and mythical precedents for the involvement of children in the vampiric mythos. Many of the earliest tales of the folklore and mythology of the vampire, centre around the act of the taking of “babies”

Picture credit ~ http://www.energyenhancement.org/

Picture credit ~ http://www.energyenhancement.org/

Hollywood has utilized the image in the movie industry, many will recall the “implied” delivery of the baby to the wives of Draculea during Jonathan Harker’s incarceration from the 1992 film “Bram Stoker’s Dracula” and, further, the images of the “undead” Lucy Westenra carrying a small child down into her sepulcher from the same movie, you may even remember “Laddie” from the hit film “The Lost Boys” and almost certainly recall Brad Pitt’s character “saving” Claudia from an implied death from “plague” in “Interview with the Vampire”.

Kirsten Dunst as Claudia "Interview with The Vampire, Warner Bros. 1994

Kirsten Dunst as Claudia
“Interview with The Vampire, Warner Bros. 1994

Again, the prominent featuring of the “young and innocent” in our modern vampire folklore interpretations.

BUT… WHERE IS THE LINE?

I’m not throwing this out as an argument, not attempting to “force” my morality on anyone nor yet shame anyone for expressing themselves artistically so don’t even bother throwing such accusations at me… what I want to do is have YOU ask yourselves, and your own conscience, where does it stop? When is the line crossed? What are YOU willing accept as being “reasonable and acceptable”?… At RVL we have drawn OUR LINE.
Some years ago there was an online organization known as D.A.C.A. (Darkness Against Child Abuse) and our enquiries have revealed that, it appears, D.A.C.A. was “forced” to close down, due to lack of participation and support, around 5 years ago. That is a shame… a real shame.

So, it falls to each and every one of us in the sub-culture – especially those of us who ARE parents to create the line of acceptability.

Pic. credit -  http://thinkinlikegavroche.wordpress.com/

Pic. credit -
http://thinkinlikegavroche.wordpress.com/

Perhaps there will be a number of you that might consider this as nothing more than an attack on the freedom of “artistic expression”, if so then perhaps it would be better if the material were restricted to certain “sites” that are more liberal, or have a certain “niche audience”  than might otherwise be considered acceptable.

We took the liberty of contacting the host of the system that was carrying the picture and we received the reply that; “the picture does not contravene our terms of use and service”.

This very same host clearly states, however, that:
Sometimes, those experiences and issues involve graphic content that is of public interest or concern, such as human rights abuses or acts of terrorism. In many instances, when people share this type of content, it is to condemn it. However, graphic images shared for sadistic effect or to celebrate or glorify violence have no place on our site.

When people share any content, we expect that they will share in a responsible manner. That includes choosing carefully the audience for the content. For graphic videos, people should warn their audience about the nature of the content in the video so that their audience can make an informed choice about whether to watch it.

The inherent implications, and intent behind, in these terms were not completely complied with, in our opinion so we sought reactions from a selected number of individual, private, friends and the consensus was unanimous – the negative reactions to the image, and condemnation of it, were unanimous.

"The Vampire Diaries"  Warner Bros. Television Distribution

“The Vampire Diaries”
Warner Bros. Television Distribution

WE are not monsters, we do NOT threaten children, we condemn any amongst our sub-culture who do speak of such activities and most, if not ALL of our enclaves have strict policies about contacting law enforcement if such a thing is suspected.

That is the message that the sub-culture, in its quest for “acceptance” needs to put out, and put it out there in a strong fashion.

As far back as the publication of The Black Veil (version 1) there have existed, both written and unwritten, observances regarding minors within the sub-culture. The Black Veil (vers. 1) states:
“Bloodletting and or blood drinking is not considered proper in a haven or publicly, nor is drinking from unwilling individuals.” [1]

Now, at this point, if you wish to simply throw up your hands and say, “this guy is trying to ram his morality down our throats try taking a deep breath, see? There’s nothing in your throat… I am NOT trying to TELL anyone how to think, how to express themselves nor am I trying to curtail the rights of anyone at all, I am simply asking YOU, the reader, to look inside yourself and decide where YOUR line is when it comes to the depiction of children in the art, the literature and the viewing of such material within our sub-culture.

You may even say, “If you don’t like it, don’t look…” – fair comment, unfortunately, because of the setup of “friends” and “friends of friends” accessibility to our timelines within the hosts operating structure we had no choice in the matter and perhaps that, in itself, was a violation of OUR rights.

It is of VITAL importance to the sub-culture as a whole in its mission to become “publicly accepted” and of VITAL importance to each and every one of us to recognize when something needs to be addressed on a broad basis of discussion and consensus, we have, and continue to see, much division and conflict within the “nation” as a whole but there are some things that, as conscious, thinking and moral creatures we MUST address… if only within ourselves.

As, the Baroness Margaret H. Thatcher LG, OM, PC, FRS wrote, “Disciplining yourself to do what you know is right and important, although difficult, is the highroad to pride, self-esteem, and personal satisfaction.”

 Copyright T.H.Hawkmoor/ RVL 2014

1. The Black Veil (version 1) © 1999, The Sanguinary Society / Endless Night Productions.

 
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